On 3/22/2010 11:02 AM, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> On Mar 21, 10:13 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Photon-Torped…@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>> On 3/21/2010 3:09 PM, Kevin Cunningham wrote:
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>>> On Mar 21, 1:23 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty >> Photon-Torped…@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/21/2010 1:03 PM, Tab182 wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Mar 21, 12:56 pm, Harry Hope wrote:
>>>>>> Hey, Rightards, Love It Or Leave It. Go and live with the penguins.
>>
>>>>>> Harry
>>
>>>>> Just heard the Dems now have at least a solid 225 vote count to pass!
>>>>> Wonder how Old Drug Rush is going to like it in Bananaland?
>>
>>>> Don’t know about Rush but there will be a lot of money that sees the
>>>> handwriting on the wall and leaves this country if this Socialist care
>>>> passes….
>>
>>>> There’s your next 10 years of growth and jobs leaving….
>>
>>> Yeah, Drugs Limbaugh is going to move to Costa Rica, a socialist
>>> country with socialized medicine. Maybe there he can get free
>>> treatment for his drug addiction and then get therapy for his sick
>>> denial of his being a queer.
>>
>> I don’t know about Rush, but Rush is poor by the standards I speak of,
>> the wealth will be gone when the final socialist vote nails the coffin shut.
>
> As a dedicated socialist I thank you but we gottcha’! We won the
> election, we now passed our most horrific bill yet!
> HHHHHAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAHHAHAHHAHHHHHH, (cough) Haaaa, (cough)……….
>
> Face it scum, you haven’t gotten the point yet, we liberals, the group
> that won the election, aren’t socialist. I know of about two
> socialists personally. The party is bigger than a bridge party but
> smaller than collectors of tuna fish cans.
>

You are not Democrats, you are Socialists.

> But the socialist have done a lot for America. The brought up topics
> like safer work places, social security and womens rights. Yeah, they

Social Security is broke, the $30 trillion dollar lock box is empty….

Safety is NOT owned by Socialists, and we all know “women” lost ground
with your “Special rights”.

Women have moved in a big circle or never moved at all, all my nieces
want to have babies and stay home…. So women apparently had rights
and used them, they now have no choice but to work and need to get
married since they can’t live on one income anymore, thanks to all the
government’s Socialism help and taxes.

Women are now forced to find a man and can’t stay home with the baby
even when they want. Tell me what have they gained? Did you change the
fact that women have babies? Did you change that they need a man, all
you offer is marriage to government in exchange? Women are more bitter
and trapped now than they have ever been, how is that a Socialist
Government success?

> brought these up first, others agreed and the matters became law.

> So what has conservatism ever done for America? Fighting wars in
> unknown lands? Running up huge debts?

Things other than Socialism made us the strong and self reliant people
that we were before Socialism made America the whiners and losers they
are today. Prepare for Socialism to take us to a new low in our Nations
history.

Your Social Security and Socialist schools and Socialist welfare and
Socialist “EEOC, EPA” and others cost this Nation so much that we’re in
sight of not just having killed the Constitution but also killing the
new Socialist America that you created…. Keep up the good work.

At this point I welcome your Socialism, I see it as the only way to get
back to the free America that was stolen from me by Socialism. The one
way to beat socialism is to embrace it, then in a generation or so it
will have exploited everyone and spent everything and the people will
have nothing to lose so they can then fight to the death feeling they
have more to gain than to lose.

Spend spend spend, spend wildly and let Socialism do what it does
best….. Socialism destroys lives. Then we can start over and
recognize that the Constitution was right and Socialism is *NOT*
consistent with freedom or our Constitution, we can rediscover the
genius of our founding fathers and the ignorance of today’s educated,
pointy headed elitists, who think Socialism is the answer to any
question ever raised.

On 3/5/2010 3:13 AM, Siobhan Medeiros wrote:
> On Mar 2, 6:13 am, Beam Me Up Scotty dog.com> wrote:
>> On 3/2/2010 7:58 AM, hal wrote:
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>>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 06:29:12 -0600, “SaPeIsMa”
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> “hal” wrote in messagenews:4b8c7bd7.48349234@news.newsguy.com…
>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:45:02 -0800 (PST), “edi…@netpath.net”
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Dream on if you think “Sweden in America” is the voters’ choice. With
>>>>>> unemployment and foreclosures so high after two years of a Democrat
>>>>>> House, a Democrat Senate, and a Democrat president as of Election Day,
>>>>>> who do you think the angry masses are going to take it out on?
>>
>>>>> The people who cause this mess: George Bush
>>
>>>> You can get professional help for that BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome)
>>>> It’s not going to go away on it’s own even though you’ve voted for Obambi.
>>
>>> It’s not going away until our economic problems go away, and like it
>>> took FDR several years to fix the problems given to this country by
>>> Hoover and his do nothing conservative cronies, it is going to take
>>> Obama much more than a year or two to fix all the problems given to us
>>> by this last batch of conservative criminals. Sorry if conservative
>>> criminal is redundant.
>>
>> FDR made it last for nearly 10 years…. The Government has done it
>> again, I’ll suggest that this is also being dragged out by government.
>>
>
> Then surely you can produce a cite showing the USA had 25%
> unemployment in 1943.

1929 – 1939 is 10 years…. the war in Europe began in 1939

During the 1939 ? 1942 period, the UK and Russia depleted much of their
gold stock in purchases of munitions and weaponry on a *cash and carry*
basis from the U.S. and other nations.

The War rescued FDR and the Economy from continued Stagnation and lack
luster performance….. Socialism won’t fix Capitalism.

*The problem is the farther we drift from the Constitution* the *worse*
*things* *get*. We need to get back to the constitution and away from
Social Justice and other unconstitutional ideology.

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Next Crash after Bush’s>>OR<<Obama; the President that never was.
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:52:57 -0500
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

On 3/3/2010 4:29 PM, God’sLittleAnus wrote:
> Shall we be pro-active and call the next financial debacle “The Great
> Bush Depression Echo”?

Since This is Bush’s 3rd term, go for it…. when you read the history
books you won’t even know Obama was ever President.

According to the Obama side, everything is Bush’s fault which means
Obama hasn’t done anything.

*Obama; the President that never was*

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: surrender your supplies to authorities during a disaster>>OR<<
Are you redistributing “smart” or are you redistributing “stupidity”
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:45:45 -0500
From: Occam’s Razor

> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:56:14 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
> wrote:
>
>> With the recent earthquakes in Haiti and Chile, it has given the
>> world…and your neighbors…a refresher course into what happens when
>> the thin veil of society breaks down.
>>
>> Along with the related question of firearms currently being discussed,
>> one has to consider how the breakdown of society will affect you and
>> your supplies. If you are the only one on the block hydrated, well
>> fed, lights on at night..well it doesn’t take anyone long to figure
>> out that you have supplies…including the authorities.
>>
>> So if a disaster occurred where you live where society breaks down,
>> would
>> you surrender your resources (water, food, fuel, etc.) to an
>> authorities if asked to?

>>
>>
>> Why or why not?

Don’t all the people have the same opportunity to plan for it right now,
so if I chose to plan for “MY” survival, how does that become the
collectives resource, shouldn’t other individuals or the “Collective”
have planned for disaster?

Are you trying to redistribute “smart” or are you redistributing
“stupidity”?

On 3/3/2010 11:25 AM, Joe Steel wrote:
> Beam Me Up Scotty wrote in
> news:4b8d8e8f$0$11422$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
>
>> On 3/2/2010 3:47 PM, Joe Steel wrote:
>
>>>
>>> The People are sovereign. Being sovereign means you never have to
>>> say “May I.” The People may do what they wish.
>>>
>> I didn’t get that part in my copy of the constitution, send me a copy
>> of yours…. I don’t think you are so stupid as to tell me something
>> you have no written copy of.
>>
>
> When James Madison knew he would be involved in writing the Constitution,
> he asked his friend Thomas Jefferson, US ambassador to France, to send
> him the latest European works on government. Among the work he received
> almost certainly was “The Social Contract” by Jean Jacques Rousseau. It
> includes this:
>
> “At once, in place of the individual personality of each contracting
> party, this act of association creates a moral and collective body,
> composed of as many members as the assembly contains votes, and receiving
> from this act its unity, its common identity, its life and its will. This
> public person, so formed by the union of all other persons formerly took
> the name of city, and now takes that of Republic or body politic; it
> is called by its members State when passive. Sovereign when active, and
> Power when compared with others like itself. Those who are associated in
> it take collectively the name of people, and severally are called
> citizens, as sharing in the sovereign power, and subjects, as being under
> the laws of the State. But these terms are often confused and taken one
> for another: it is enough to know how to distinguish them when they are
> being used with precision.

” *Those* who are associated in it take collectively the name of people,”

So when you say *the people* it means *those* within the group called
the people.

I would say they are individuals. But when described as *the people*
are not just “one” as the “States” are not just one, but each has the
same individual rights and are collectively no different. Two States
have no more power than one, two people have no more power than one, we
are equal, “the people” are equal to any one member, no more or less.

I can *NOT* do as I wish…. and as *the people* I have a constitution
that must be considered as to whether it is a power given in it to the
Federal government the States or the people. If it is a right for the
people, then each and every individual has that right it’s not a
collective right only usable when all come together as the people. To
start with, we never really come together to agree on anything as the
people, that is why we elect government representatives. We can’t be
sovereign as the people because we are never acting as one, but as
government we are sovereign because we can act as one.

James Madison called people Sovereign when active or *voting*

“composed of as many members as the assembly contains votes”

When you vote you exercise a power just as the States have elected
people that act having supreme, independent authority over a territory
as does the Federal Government.

We are suppose to be *part* of the sovereign power but…
*NOT THE sovereign power* . We each vote and collectively(the people)
our votes are sovereign having supreme, independent authority over a
territory.

But that’s just How I read that. That was good stuff thanks and maybe
we read it a little different but I always see the constitution as
separating power, power is never centralized in the constitution from
all I have read.

On 3/2/2010 10:24 PM, Aratzio wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:04:08 -0500, in the land of alt.impeach.bush,
> Occam’s Razor got double secret probation
> for writing:
>
>> On 3/2/2010 9:51 PM, Aratzio wrote:
>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:26:54 -0500, in the land of alt.impeach.bush,
>>> Occam’s Razor got double secret probation
>>> for writing:
>>>
>>>> On 3/2/2010 3:59 PM, The PHANTOM wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 1, 9:53 pm, Nickname unavailable wrote:
>>>>>> On Mar 1, 8:26 pm, Harold Burton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> Nickname unavailable wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 1, 6:25 pm, Tab182 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Well now that New York has cleared ACORN of ALL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY
>>>>>>>>> after finally looking at the unedited video shot by the sniveling
>>>>>>>>> little Rightard Criminal O’keefe (Who the GOP hired to smear ACORN)
>>>>>>>>> maybe ACORN should now turn around and sue the GOP for defamation of
>>>>>>>>> character?
>>>>>>>>> Hell if nothing else it would be worth it to get all them Rightard
>>>>>>>>> Criminals under oath when they go thru all that pretrail crap!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lets hope they take the liars to court, and clean house like what has
>>>>>>>> been done to other criminal gangs like…
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> …Acorn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Snicker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> snicker, acorn has not been convicted of anything, but the
>>>>>> conservative KKK has:)- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> – Show quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>> So you’re saying you don’t have a problem with ACORN giving advice to
>>>>> human traffickers and pimps on how to smuggle underage latin females
>>>>> into the country to be used as sex slaves and funded by the
>>>>> taxpayer’s?? HUH??
>>>>
>>>> Why is it that the Democrats want to prosecute Lawyers that gave some
>>>> advice to Bush and yet these *Government FUNDED* “Community Organizers”
>>>> obviously tell people *ON VIDEO* how to evade the laws and outright
>>>> break the law and the Democrats and Attorney Generals are happy to
>>>> ignore it.
>>>>
>>>> It does seem like the law isn’t being equally enforced.
>>>
>>> What law was broken, specifically.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly, what law did Bush’s advisers break?
>
> Nice avoidance of the question. You claimed “outright break the law”.
> So which law did they break? Cmon, you can back up your statement with
> facts about which laws were broken on a video that was edited for
> content?
>
>>
>>> Here is another hint: The Acorn employees are not lawyers.
>>
>> the law is still the law.
>>
> So you think a dubbed and edited video is exactly the same as writing
> legal memos whose sole requirement was to evade US law and
> International treaties?
>
> Really? Those are the same in your world?

Since you put it that way… YES they sound more alike than I had first
thought, when you added international treaties I instantly thought about
*ACORN trafficking internationally in child sex* slaves from Ecuador
like they said on the video.

It’s more alike than I had even first thought.

I would think that the Ecuadorian people and their Government would be
in the streets demanding that ACORN be prosecuted since the Stolen
Children to be Sex slaves sold as prostitutes were from their country
and I’m sure we have some reciprocal prosecution or extradition treaty.

The Ecuadorians are being very passive, America would have swooped in
and Kidnapped the co conspirators like WE did with Manuel Noriega and
Mohammad Shake Khalid who were also just talking about committing crimes
in a foreign country “namely the USA”.

Maybe Ecuadorian Seals will swoop in and kidnap those ACORN criminals to
stand trial in Ecuador….. If Ecuador would at least make some veiled
threats to that end, maybe the incriminated ACORN workers could live in
fear of being brought to justice.

On 3/3/2010 12:17 AM, Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Mar 2, 11:08 pm, Occam’s Razor wrote:
>> On 3/2/2010 10:13 PM, Lisa Lisa wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 2, 3:35 pm, “Clyde” wrote:
>>>> “Lisa Lisa” wrote in message
>>
>>>> news:7be12786-c1a5-4cc5-beeb-7b411b2d2e03@b30g2000yqd.googlegroups.com…
>>
>>>> We cannot keep adding to the debt,” Bunning said in remarks on the Senate
>>>> floor. The legislation is not paid for, contrary to a recent pay-as-you-go
>>>> law that Congress passed and President Barack Obama signed into law.http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100301/NEWS01/3010341/1008
>>
>>> So can we pull out of Iraq and Asscrackistan?
>>
>> Democrats shouldn’t have signed it into law, if they didn’t want to be
>> subject to it. We can’t ignore the law and run red lights.
>
> then why did the republicans dump paygo in 2001:)

Maybe Repubs saw this public relations disaster coming…. the Democrats
think they can lie and get away with having the law and then breaking
it. They get accolades for passing Pay-go and then just ignore it, to
pass more spending for more accolades…. It’s win win unless someone
highlights your hypocrisy.

The Republicans were honest about it, they couldn’t live up to Pay-go
and they knew it and didn’t want to try the slick Liberal tricks and
tell you one thing while doing another. Telling you one thing while
doing another is standard lying Liberal-Socialist procedure so the
Democrats thought nothing of putting out another lie that they never
intended to be forced to actually live up too.

It’s like Charlie Rangel thinking he can lie to the IRS and their laws
are just something he doesn’t have to follow. Rangel will tell you one
thing and lie and thinks he won’t be forced to live up to the IRS laws
he has passed, it was win win for Rangel. But then someone showed us
Rangel’s hypocrisy.

It’s a Liberal-Socialist *modus operandi* They do this over and over.

On 3/3/2010 1:31 AM, retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 14:57:46 -0500, Occam’s Razor
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/2/2010 2:13 PM, retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:05:55 -0500, Occam’s Razor
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/2/2010 11:21 AM, retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:51:34 -0500, Occam’s Razor
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will a Liberal Nation that votes by their feelings survive? –
>>>>>
>>>>> Ask Denmark?
>>>>>
>>>> So the answer is NO….
>>
>>
>>> Oh you didn’;t want an honest answer. You just wanted to spout off.
>>>
>>> I understand.
>>
>> NOT quite…..
>> If you did understand you would ask; Why is Denmark in the EU?
>>
>>
>>
>> “Denmark is a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system of
>> government. Denmark has a state-level government and local governments
>> in 98 municipalities. Denmark has been a member of the European Union
>> since 1973, although it has not joined the Eurozone. Denmark is a
>> founding member of NATO and the OECD.”
>
> I almost believe you think you had a point.

They are a State in the EU….. Denmark is being assimilated.

Denmark before Socialism and all their feelings took over is gone, and
NOW their Socialist Denmark is being assimilated into the EU collective.

Soon to become just another bland tasteless socialist state that is
homogenized and uniform across the EU. Socialist love to talk about
Diversity and yet all the laws they pass and the Socialist system itself
destroys diversity. They have lost their unique Nation and their
feelings have them voting for their own destruction.

The irony is staggering.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Denmark
>
> . .
> Welfare state
>
> Denmark has a highly developed welfare safety net, which ensures that
> all Danes receive tax-funded health care and generous unemployment
> insurance. Denmark ranked the first in the European pensions barometer
> survey for the past two years[12] The lowest-income group before
> retirement from the age of 65 receive 120% of their pre-retirement
> income in pension and miscellaneous subsidies.
>
> The large public sector (30% of the entire workforce on a full-time
> basis[13]) is financed by the world’s highest taxes[11]. A value added
> tax of 25% is levied on the sale of most goods and services (including
> groceries). The income tax in Denmark ranges from 42.9%[11] to 63%
> progressively, levied on 4 out of 10 full-time employees[14]. Such
> high rates mean that 1,010,000 Danes before the end of 2008 (44% of
> all full-time employees) will be paying a marginal income tax of 63%
> and a combined marginal tax of 70.9% resulting warnings from
> organisations such as the OECD [15][16]. TV2 (Denmark) reported in
> April 2008 that abolishing the middle- and top-level income tax
> brackets would amount to two (2) and one (1) percent of public sector
> revenue, respectively, which equals one and a half percent of GDP. The
> public sector as a whole had a budget surplus of 4.4% of GDP in 2007,
> but the tax cuts would increase private consumption and the labor
> shortage and thus result in a deficit on the trade balance and
> pressure to increase wages even further. Proceeds from selling one’s
> home (if there is any home equity (da: friv?rdi)) is not taxed, as the
> marginal tax rate on capital income from housing savings is around 0
> percent.[17] A survey by Standard & Poor’s found that the total debt
> secured by mortgages in Danish homes amounts to 89.8% of GDP, which is
> above the debt level in other EU countries (and the U.S.A. at 74.6% of
> GDP).[18]
>
> Discussions on increasing the labor supply include abolishing a labor
> market arrangement called efterl?n (eng.:early retirement pay)[19], at
> the present (end of 3rd quarter 2008) with more than 130,000
> participants (60 years until 64 years of age)[20]. Participation in
> this scheme is also open for self-employed people (farmers, fishermen,
> lawyers, etc.). Shortening the time unemployment benefit can be
> received (four years at the present), as an example, is also
> discussed. The Danish Economic Council in its 2008 spring report (27
> May)[21] proposes limiting the dagpengeperiode to 2.5 years, which is
> still half a year more than at present in Norway and one and a half
> year more than in Sweden, said in an interview by the chairman (da:
> overvismand) (professor of economics, University of Copenhagen) Peter
> Birch S?rensen 27 May 2008 on the TV program Deadline (10.30 pm),
> channel DR2, the Danish Broadcasting Corporation.
> [edit] Tax Burden and employment
> [edit] Tax burden
>
> With a GDP of 1,642,215 million DKK and revenue from taxes and
> ownership at 803,693 million DKK (2006)[11], 49.07% of GDP, it is of
> extreme importance what happens in the tax-financed part of the
> economy. According to newly revised statistics, Denmark has had the
> world’s highest tax level in 2005 and 2006, at 50.7% and 49.1%
> respectively. Denmark also held this position 1970-74 and 1993-95 .
> These figures do not include income from ownership.[11]

Look at what they have done to Denmark, I left all this above
because it’s just so self explanatory. I couldn’t misspell anything
above because it was to important and succinct, so “hear” is one for you
after the fact.

Just my cense of humor……

On 3/3/2010 9:15 AM, hal wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:51:31 -0500, Occam’s Razor
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/2/2010 5:23 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>>> On Mar 1, 5:13 pm, AZDuffman wrote:
>>>> On Feb 27, 3:30 pm, hal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:43:10 -0800 (PST), Transition Zone
>>>>> They’re not pouring anything down the drain, but rather simply faced
>>>>> with a determined and fanatical obstructionist opposition that will
>>>>> not agree to or cooperate with anything. It’s hard to make any
>>>>> progress in a republic when the opposition never does anything but do
>>>>> everything possible to obstruct an progress at all.
>>>>
>>>> When Obama tells the GOP to sit down and shut up should he expect
>>>> anything less?
>>>
>>> Who goes by expectation? The law of unintended consequences rules.
>>>
>>>> Besides, Obamacare is not “progress” at all. Increasing costs and
>>>> decreasing choice is not progress where I come from.
>>>
>>> Obamacare hasn’t been tried yet, so how can you even know?
>>
>> Yes it has, Obama-care is more government and we’ve seen it over and
>> over and it never works.
>>
>> Government is the problem Our Constitution IS the solution.
>
> Our Constitution that was written by liberals. And is kept alive by
> liberals.

Liberals created Slavery in the constitution? Glad to hear you finally
fess up. Is that why you feel guilt and want to discriminate against
whites…. do you also cut yourself and find yourself in a self
loathing funk?

Why do you redefine its meaning? does that make it live on or is it the
rebirth of the Constitution as a mutant document that you think is
better than the Constitution.

You don’t preserve and protect the Constitution, you change and distort
the Constitution.

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