Atheism isn’t an Absence in belief

On 9/3/2010 9:44 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
> DanielSan wrote in
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>> On 9/2/2010 12:28 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> DanielSan wrote in
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>>>> On 9/2/2010 10:57 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>> DanielSan wrote in news:N96dncjMqrw2I-
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>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/1/2010 12:30 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>> DanielSan wrote in news:a9-
>>>>>>> @&*$?%speakeasy.net">dnZ3Sc5wQCuPRnZ2dnUVZ_r0AAAAA @&*$?%speakeasy.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2010 6:25 AM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no power given to the
>>>>>>>>> FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to create or fund a FEDERAL EDUCATION
>>>>>>>>> department
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> agency or club or church or PAC or UNION or revue board or
>>>>>>>>> classroom
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> any other FEDERAL government power over education.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and here is the 10th amendment…. it tells you that if the
>>>>>>>>> power isn’t delegated to the Federal Government, the Federal
>>>>>>>>> government doesn’t have that power.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Amendment X
>>>>>>>>> The powers not delegated to the United States by the
>>>>>>>>> Constitution,
>>>>> nor
>>>>>>>>> prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
>>>>>>> respectively,
>>>>>>>>> or to the people.]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes. There is. It is a power delegated to the Federal
> Government
>>>>>>>> by the Constitution and, therefore, the 10th Amendment is not
>>>>>>>> violated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Care to show the wording in the Constitution that says that the
>>>>> federal
>>>>>>> government has that power? I am curious just where you think that
>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’ve already done it. But I’ll do it once again:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Article 1, Section 8:
>>>>>> The Congress shall have Power–
>>>>>> To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying
>>>>>> into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by
>>>>>> this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any
>>>>>> Department or Officer thereof.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmmm, see the terms, “…make all laws which shall be necessary …
>>>>> the foregoing powers…” and “..and all other powers *vested* by
> this
>>>>> Constitution…”. I am asking you to provide a cite where those
>>>>> powers *vested* in the Consitution show that they include a
>>>>> Department of Education or federal powers for the taxation for such
>>>>> under the federal government.
>>>>>
>>>>> Article I, section 8 delineates the powers that the legislative
>>>>> branch has to pass statutes on. I don’t see education mentioned
>>>>> either as a specific or as a derivative. If you do, please present
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> I can’t find any Departments explicitly laid out in the Constitution.
>>>> Where is the Department of Labor laid out in the Constitution?
>>>> Housing and Urban Development? Health and Human Services?
>>>> Transportation?
>>>>
>>>> How about officer level positions? EPA? US Mission to the United
>>>> Nations?
>>>>
>>>> I don’t see ANY of these listed explicitly in the Constitution.
>>>
>>> However, some of them are for powers listed in Article I, section 8.
>>> Education is not one of them. I am not saying that the feds cannot
>>> address education. Indeed, there is reason for them to do so, however
> I
>>> cannot find it in the Constitution. You said that it was there so can
>>> you help me find it?
>>>
>>
>> Where is the Department of Housing and Urban Development?
>>
>
> I don’t care. That isn’t the subject.
>
Where is the Czar post?