Atheism isn’t an Absence in belief

On 9/1/2010 7:37 AM, Jimbo wrote:
> On Aug 31, 11:11 pm, “Scout”
> wrote:
>> DanielSan wrote:
>>> On 8/31/2010 5:16 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>> DanielSan wrote:
>>>>> On 8/31/2010 4:09 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/31/2010 6:24 PM, DanielSan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/31/2010 3:10 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Beam Me Up Scotty >>>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:4c7c5c21$0$20531$ec3e2dad @&*$?%unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/2010 9:27 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Beam Me Up
>>>>>>>>>>> Scotty wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> innews:4C7C4F02.6050903 @&*$?%Blackhole.NebulaX.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/2010 6:06 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9DE2D5927673Anomailcomcastnet @&*$?%216.196.121.131:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9DE284EFA79C5hopewell @&*$?%216.196.97.131:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9DE1D414FDFAFnomailcomcastnet @&*$?%216.196.121.131:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beam Me Up Scotty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in news:4c782e0c$0$16434
>>>>>>>>>>> $ec3e2…@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2010 5:17 PM, DanielSan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2010 2:11 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2010 4:22 PM, Colanth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:21:21 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unicorns perform miracles for little girls with what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to be magical god like powers.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of little girls believe they are deities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and idolize them.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have evangelical Saturday morning TV shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preaching the unicorn mythology and expanding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers that believe in unicorns.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To an Aunicornist like myself this is causing great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angst and my freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of religion is being trampled
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tough – privately-owned TV stations are free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast unicorn shows. And little girls can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe any damn-fool thing they like.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in government places that promote Unicornism.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the government involved in private TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stations or in the beliefs of little girls?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PBS…
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PBS isn’t government owned.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is government funded
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just like the churches that Bush donated OUR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money to in his “faith based charities” scheme. Where is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT allowed in the Constitution?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same place where governments can tax me for education
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although I have no children in school and the universities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I attended were both private.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The public has a vested interest in having an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated public.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then the “public” can *promote* education *NOT PROVIDE* the
>>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So what are you getting at? Closing all public schools?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Close the Federal financing of State schools. There is no
>>>>>>>>>> constitutional power that allows for giving Federal tax
>>>>>>>>>> reciepts to the States or to the People.
>>
>>>>>>>>> So children in poor states and districts deserve to
>>>>>>>>> get substandard educations compared to those in wealthy
>>>>>>>>> states. Is that your idea of equality?
>>
>>>>>>>> Please indicate the granted power in Art 1 or the Amendments that
>>>>>>>> grants the
>>>>>>>> federal government any authority to fund schools.
>>
>>>>>>> Article 1, Section 8:
>>>>>>> “The Congress shall have Power–
>>>>>>> To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying
>>>>>>> into Execution *the foregoing Powers* , and all other Powers
>>>>>>> vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United
>>>>>>> States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”
>>
>>>>>>> Schools are covered under the “Department of Education”, which is
>>>>>>> clearly covered under Article 1, Section 8.
>>
>>>>>> *the foregoing Powers* means that congress can’t support/pay for
>>>>>> any powers NOT vested by this constitution in the Federal
>>>>>> government.
>>
>>>>> I bet you missed what was directly after what you highlighted.
>>
>>>> Nope, I bet he didn’t.
>>
>>>> However, I’ll bet you ignore that part he highlighted and feel that
>>>> Congress can make any laws (or departments) it likes and that
>>>> automatically makes them a power granted by the Constitution.
>>
>>> I didn’t ignore the part he highlighted.
>>
>> Actually, you did. You suggested that the government could enact a
>> Department of X, Y or Z and it would automatically have power over X,Y or Z
>> simply because it was created.
>
> Basically, however if enough people didn’t like the government having
> control over X, Y, or Z, then they would be out of a job come election
> time. I’ve seen no such majority voting politicians out because the
> Dept. of Education exists. If Congress is sensitive to losing their
> jobs, they’re going to test the waters where X, Y, and Z are concerned
> before appoving it.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The people have the right of education…. because it’s never given to
the Federal Government. So the right of the Congress to create
Departments, doesn’t allow them the power to infringe on our right to
our own choice and power over our education.