Atheism isn’t an Absence in belief

On 9/1/2010 12:21 AM, Jimbo wrote:
> On Aug 31, 8:16 pm, “Scout”
> wrote:
>> DanielSan wrote:
>>> On 8/31/2010 4:09 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>>> On 8/31/2010 6:24 PM, DanielSan wrote:
>>>>> On 8/31/2010 3:10 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Beam Me Up Scotty >>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:4c7c5c21$0$20531$ec3e2dad @&*$?%unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
>>>>>>>> On 8/30/2010 9:27 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Beam Me Up Scotty >>>>>>>>> wrote innews:4C7C4F02.6050903 @&*$?%Blackhole.NebulaX.com:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/2010 6:06 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9DE2D5927673Anomailcomcastnet @&*$?%216.196.121.131:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9DE284EFA79C5hopewell @&*$?%216.196.97.131:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beam Me Up Scotty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:4c782e0c$0$16434
>>>>>>>>> $ec3e2…@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2010 5:17 PM, DanielSan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2010 2:11 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2010 4:22 PM, Colanth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:21:21 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unicorns perform miracles for little girls with what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to be magical god like powers.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of little girls believe they are deities and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idolize them.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have evangelical Saturday morning TV shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preaching the unicorn mythology and expanding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers that believe in unicorns.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To an Aunicornist like myself this is causing great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angst and my freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of religion is being trampled
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tough – privately-owned TV stations are free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast unicorn shows. And little girls can believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any damn-fool thing they like.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in government places that promote Unicornism.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the government involved in private TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stations or in the beliefs of little girls?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PBS…
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PBS isn’t government owned.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is government funded
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just like the churches that Bush donated OUR money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to in his “faith based charities” scheme. Where is THAT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed in the Constitution?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same place where governments can tax me for education
>>>>>>>>>>>>> although I have no children in school and the universities
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I attended were both private.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The public has a vested interest in having an educated
>>>>>>>>>>>> public.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then the “public” can *promote* education *NOT PROVIDE* the
>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>
>>>>>>>>> So what are you getting at? Closing all public schools?
>>
>>>>>>>> Close the Federal financing of State schools. There is no
>>>>>>>> constitutional power that allows for giving Federal tax reciepts
>>>>>>>> to the States or to the People.
>>
>>>>>>> So children in poor states and districts deserve to
>>>>>>> get substandard educations compared to those in wealthy
>>>>>>> states. Is that your idea of equality?
>>
>>>>>> Please indicate the granted power in Art 1 or the Amendments that
>>>>>> grants the
>>>>>> federal government any authority to fund schools.
>>
>>>>> Article 1, Section 8:
>>>>> “The Congress shall have Power–
>>>>> To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying
>>>>> into Execution *the foregoing Powers* , and all other Powers vested
>>>>> by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in
>>>>> any Department or Officer thereof.”
>>
>>>>> Schools are covered under the “Department of Education”, which is
>>>>> clearly covered under Article 1, Section 8.
>>
>>>> *the foregoing Powers* means that congress can’t support/pay for any
>>>> powers NOT vested by this constitution in the Federal government.
>>
>>> I bet you missed what was directly after what you highlighted.
>>
>> Nope, I bet he didn’t.
>>
>> However, I’ll bet you ignore that part he highlighted and feel that Congress
>> can make any laws (or departments) it likes and that automatically makes
>> them a power granted by the Constitution.
>>
>>>> Show us where that “Education” power was vested by the constitution.
>>>> You can’t create a “department of whatever” and then declare that it
>>>> is power given by the constitution. You can’t create a department of
>>>> whatever unless the constitution gives the Federal Government power
>>>> to have “authority” over that right.
>>
>>> The Constitution allows the Executive to create departments with the
>>> approval of the Legislative.
>>
>> Ok, and where exactly in the Article 1 powers is an education power vested.
>>
>
> He’s already answered that question. Article 1 allows the Exec to
> create departments with the approval of the legislature, it does not
> limit which departments he can create. The Dept.of Education is one
> such department.

So the Federal Government can start a “Department of Marriage” and
command that all G&*$?%s can marry and all this tiff over Gay Marriage
would be moot?

You are saying that creating a department gives total power over what
ever they name the department?

That means that the department of “Health and Human Services” give the
Federal Government the right to force every American into government
health care? So Obama was wasting time trying to pass a health care
law when he already has the power under (HHS) to force us all to single
payer government health care?

Seems like a huge hole in the Document since it was designed to stop a
Government take over of our lives and secure the freedom of “We The
People” .