Atheism isn’t an Absence in belief

On 8/31/2010 6:24 PM, DanielSan wrote:
> On 8/31/2010 3:10 PM, Scout wrote:
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Beam Me Up Scotty @&*$?%Blackhole.NebulaX.com> >>> wrote in news:4c7c5c21$0$20531$ec3e2dad @&*$?%unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
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>>>> On 8/30/2010 9:27 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Beam Me Up Scotty @&*$?%Blackhole.NebulaX.com> >>>>> wrote in news:4C7C4F02.6050903 @&*$?%Blackhole.NebulaX.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/30/2010 6:06 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote in
>>>>>>> news:Xns9DE2D5927673Anomailcomcastnet @&*$?%216.196.121.131:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:Xns9DE284EFA79C5hopewell @&*$?%216.196.97.131:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9DE1D414FDFAFnomailcomcastnet @&*$?%216.196.121.131:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Beam Me Up Scotty
>>>>>>>>>> @&*$?%Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:4c782e0c$0$16434
>>>>> $ec3e2dad @&*$?%unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2010 5:17 PM, DanielSan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2010 2:11 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2010 4:22 PM, Colanth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:21:21 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @&*$?%Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unicorns perform miracles for little girls with what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to be magical god like powers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of little girls believe they are deities and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idolize them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have evangelical Saturday morning TV shows preaching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the unicorn mythology and expanding the numbers that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in unicorns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To an Aunicornist like myself this is causing great angst
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of religion is being trampled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tough – privately-owned TV stations are free to broadcast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unicorn shows. And little girls can believe any damn-fool
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing they like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in government places that promote Unicornism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the government involved in private TV stations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the beliefs of little girls?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PBS…
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> PBS isn’t government owned.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is government funded
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just like the churches that Bush donated OUR money to
>>>>>>>>>> in his “faith based charities” scheme. Where is THAT allowed
>>>>>>>>>> in the Constitution?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Same place where governments can tax me for education although
>>>>>>>>> I have no children in school and the universities I attended
>>>>>>>>> were both private.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The public has a vested interest in having an educated
>>>>>>>> public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then the “public” can *promote* education *NOT PROVIDE* the
>>>>>> education.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So what are you getting at? Closing all public schools?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Close the Federal financing of State schools. There is no
>>>> constitutional power that allows for giving Federal tax reciepts to
>>>> the States or to the People.
>>>
>>>
>>> So children in poor states and districts deserve to
>>> get substandard educations compared to those in wealthy
>>> states. Is that your idea of equality?
>>
>> Please indicate the granted power in Art 1 or the Amendments that
>> grants the
>> federal government any authority to fund schools.
>
> Article 1, Section 8:
> “The Congress shall have Power–
> To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
> Execution *the foregoing Powers* , and all other Powers vested by this
> Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any
> Department or Officer thereof.”
>
> Schools are covered under the “Department of Education”, which is
> clearly covered under Article 1, Section 8.

*the foregoing Powers* means that congress can’t support/pay for any
powers NOT vested by this constitution in the Federal government.

Show us where that “Education” power was vested by the constitution.
You can’t create a “department of whatever” and then declare that it is
power given by the constitution. You can’t create a department of
whatever unless the constitution gives the Federal Government power to
have “authority” over that right.

Do you need a “department of the Press” to over see the Press, the
Government has NO power or authority to over see the press anywhere in
the constitution, it’s just the opposite, the federal government is even
told that they can’t interfere in the free press.

But the constitution does say *ANY* powers not given to the Federal
government, belongs to the States or the people. Education is a power
that was NEVER given to the Federal Government.

[Amendment X
The *powers not delegated* to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
or to the people.]

That “education synopses” would be an open ended clause that allows the
congress to ignore the rest of the constitution. Why would you write an
entire constitution and then put in a clause that makes all the rest of
the document meaningless?