Atheism isn’t an Absence in belief

On 8/26/2010 11:19 AM, WangoTango wrote:
> In article @&*$?%news.eternal-september.org>,
> @&*$?%verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net">me4guns @&*$?%verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says…
>> WangoTango wrote:
>>> In article @&*$?%news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> @&*$?%verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net">me4guns @&*$?%verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says…
>>>> WangoTango wrote:
>>>>> In article @&*$?%news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>> @&*$?%verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net">me4guns @&*$?%verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says…
>>>>>> WangoTango wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <4-GdnYXpzeQrbO7RnZ2dnUVZ_ogAAAAA @&*$?%bright.net>,
>>>>>>> @&*$?%HotMail.com">SaPeIsMa @&*$?%HotMail.com says…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # There is no god to make atheism a belief,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have it a&*$?%s-backwards
>>>>>>>> You don’t need a god “to make atheism a belief”
>>>>>>>> Atheism is the belief that there is no god
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it is the rejection of faith.
>>>>>>> The belief in gods are a faith based position.
>>>>>>> Atheism is just a rejection of that.
>>>>>>> If there were any objective evidence for any gods there would be
>>>>>>> no atheism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, so let me double check you here. According to you atheists do
>>>>>> not believe that God and/or Gods do not exist, they simply do not
>>>>>> accept that they do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm….doesn’t that sound more like an agnostic than an atheist?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, you don’t have it.
>>>>
>>>> “Atheism is a doctrine that states that nothing exists but natural
>>>> phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of
>>>> matter, and that death irreversibly and totally terminates
>>>> individual organic units. This definition means that there are no
>>>> forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from
>>>> physical nature, or which transcend nature, or are “super” natural,
>>>> nor can there be. Humankind is on its own.”
>>>>
>>>> http://www.atheists.org/atheism
>>>>
>>>> Seems the atheists agree with me.
>>> Well, that is a line of hokum.
>>> ‘I’ am an atheist and ‘I’ don’t agree with you.
>>
>> Well, 1 vs many…..who to believe.
> I suggest you make your own decision.
>
>>
>> Maybe you are an athiest in name only?
> I don’t even know what that means.
>
>>
>>
>>>> Maybe you should tell them that they don’t understand their own
>>>> beliefs.
>>>
>>> See, that’s the thing, I don’t get to define what atheism means to
>>> anyone else but myself.
>>
>> Yea, but that’s the catch isn’t it. Atheism does have a meaning to everyone
>> else which may have NOTHING to do with your personal definition as applied
>> to yourself.
> So?
>
>>
>> I mean you can call yourself a puppy dog if you like, and you can invite
>> your own definition of “puppy dogism” that applies to you. However, when you
>> talk to others, the commonly understood and accepted meaning of “puppy dog”
>> is going to apply.
> If you have a point, get to it.
>
>>
>> That’s why I quoted from an entire organization of atheists. To get a broad
>> view of what it means to be an atheist in general. In short, what it means.
>> Whether your personal brand of atheism is covered is moot.
>
> There may be a group that got together and made a statement, but that
> doesn’t mean they speak for anyone but themselves. That is the whole
> point. Atheism isn’t a religion that has dogma, organization, and a
> rule book, sorry.
>

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