Religious Fanatics and Leftists Are the Greatest Threat to freedom

On 8/3/2010 2:49 AM, Killing, Inc. wrote:
> On Aug 2, 10:10 pm, Jeff M wrote:
>> On 8/2/2010 8:55 PM,Killing, Inc. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 2, 8:01 pm, Jeff M wrote:
>>>> On 8/2/2010 6:50 PM,Killing, Inc. wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Aug 2, 11:21 am, Travis wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Even though Muslims are also right wing, it’s the Bush loving tea partiers
>>>>>> and Republicans who represent the biggest threat to our security.
>>
>>>>> First, are you saying all Muslims are a threat to our security, bigot?
>>>>> Second, Islamicism is akin to fascism, which is socialist and not
>>>>> right wing.
>>
>>>> Fascism is decidedly right wing,
>>
>>> Conservatism, libertarianism, and anarchy are well to the right of
>>> fascism, which puts fascism on the left. It is the socialist “third
>>> way” akin to Clinton’s triangulation on socio-economic issues and Bush
>>> Jr.’s neoconservatism, but fascism has nothing in common with the
>>> primary right-wing ideals of freedom and liberty and the secondary
>>> beliefs in capitalism, small centralized government, individual civil
>>> rights, and property rights.
>>
>> Most of modern American conservatism has abandoned those goals.
>
> As I said in my previous post, “The ‘modern American conservatives’ in
> which you are referring are actually neo-cons, who are left-wingers in
> disguise.”
> Granted, there are fewer true conservatives (aka liberals, before the
> term was hijacked and distorted by the left) since 1960s academics
> tried to kill off true liberalism and began teaching a political model
> that only included socialist beliefs, where fascism and communism are
> the extremes and everything else falls in between. The model is simply
> a lie, and the Tea Party is an an example of how true liberalism is
> not yet dead.
>
>>> Just because some left-wing academics “decidedly” want to revise
>>> history into an exclusively left-right/fascism-communism spectrum, and
>>> 10 million ignorant net geeks load Google with the same claptrap,
>>> doesn’t make it accurate. In fact, the necessity to repeat the same
>>> thing millions of times, in order to twist basic common knowledge and
>>> minimize your opponent, is proof-positive it is a lie.
>>
>> I agree that there no simple linear arrangement of ideologies, but there
>> are, in general terms, a left side and a right side.
>
> I never said there was “no simple linear arrangement.” I believe the
> basics of the socio-economic spectrum are linear in the way they are
> practiced. Political “theory” on the other hand (like the benevolent
> theory of communism, versus it’s tyrannical practice) is another thing
> entirely.
> Maybe this will format with your newsgroup viewer, but this is the
> ACTUAL left-right spectrum:
>
> Com = Communist
> P = “Progressive”/Modern “Liberal”
> F= Fascist
> M = Moderate
> Con = Conservative
> L = Libertarian/Classic Liberal
> A = Anarchist
>
>
> Com P F M Con L A
> Far Left———————|———————Far Right
>
> |———Socialism——–||———-Liberty————-|
>

Simplified… what you are saying is “Total” government to “Zero”
government and it’s the Leftists that have been pushing this idea of a
single line structure.

On that scale it looks OK and makes some sense

you could also say *tyranny|—–|to|——|Freedom* and on this scale
you get the Leftist and Dictator types, mostly on the tyranny side. One
side you have *government control of the people* the other side you get
*people who control* the government….. WE are now sliding past the
center-line and moving from people that control government into a system
where government controls the people.

*TYRANNY*
Dictatorship
Monarch
communism
fascism
Theocracy
Oligarchy
Socialism
Feudalism

|——–|

Federation
Federalism
Parliamentary
Constitutional Republic
Libertarian
Anarchy
*FREEDOM*

We don’t necessarily move from one to the next in one step, we are
skipping through them from FREEDOM towards TYRANNY, we’re in Federalism
and moving into Socialism and we have dipped our toe in Oligarchy and
Feudalism with the Bush’s Kennedy’s and Clinton’s….. And using the tax
code to keep the poor in their place.

The movement is consistently towards Tyranny but seems to be bits and
pieces of two or three types of government at any given time.