‘Red Scares’

On 7/28/2010 7:57 AM, Larry G wrote:
> On Jul 27, 7:36 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty > Everyth…@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>> On 7/27/2010 7:06 PM, Michael Coburn wrote:
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>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:31:48 -0700, Larry G wrote:
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>>>> On Jul 27, 1:36 pm, Michael Coburn wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:34:32 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
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>>>>>> On 7/27/2010 12:51 AM, Michael Coburn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:53:39 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On 7/26/2010 9:28 PM, Michael Coburn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:22:47 -0700, Larry G wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 9:27 pm, Dave Head wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:13:26 -0500, “bugo”
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> “Dave Head” wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:bhnp46teki6ftfe9lco9p88sg7a567u28m @&*$?%4ax.com…
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Fair Tax is applied as a sales tax on new items and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> services sold at retail. Things sold at wholesale, or for use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in commerce, are not taxed. So, Farmer Brown’s seed stock for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the year is not taxed, nor is his tractor. The corn you buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him is taxed since it is sold to you at retail. Every
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new item and every service, save one, is taxed. The only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> service not taxed is tuition.
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>>>>>>>>>>>> So corporations get off scot-free.
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>>>>>>>>>>> They always have. No corporation has ever paid a penny of tax.
>>>>>>>>>>> They’ve just passed that expense along to the rest of us who buy
>>>>>>>>>>> their products, and we pay it. THe corporation simply ends up
>>>>>>>>>>> being a tax collector, to the detriment of Ameican industrial
>>>>>>>>>>> competitiveness.
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>>>>>>>>>>>> No wonder why you corporate-loving Repubs like it so much.
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>>>>>>>>>>> Why would you not be “corporate-loving.” Where else do you
>>>>>>>>>>> think you’re going to get the good jobs to raise people out of
>>>>>>>>>>> poverty?
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>>>>>>>>>>>> In your distorted world, corporations can do no wrong.
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>>>>>>>>>>> Didn’t say that, but that’s no reason to hate them all because
>>>>>>>>>>> some of them do really nasty stuff.
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>>>>>>>>>> corps just pass on the taxes to the customers… that’s true.
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>>>>>>>>> Nope.
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>>>>>>>> Explain what source the corporation’s tax money comes from if it
>>>>>>>> isn’t coming from the customer.
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>>>>>>> The increased payments to the government are taken from what would
>>>>>>> have been paid out as dividends and/or the value of the stock takes
>>>>>>> a hit. IN
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>>>>>> This would be a confession that *taxes kill growth* and the
>>>>>> *business* *shrinks* as the value of the company takes a hit from
>>>>>> higher taxes?
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>>>>> That is, of course, a lie. It is a fact that taxes will not “kill
>>>>> growth” if properly applied. Even in the current system the value of
>>>>> LARGE companies take a greater hit than small companies from increases
>>>>> in corporate tax rates.
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>>>>>> Which means your past Leftist rhetoric about taxes helping business
>>>>>> and consumers was a lie.
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>>>>> It means that you will now resort to lying about what I have said. I
>>>>> have said that the actual burden of the tax depends on elasticicities
>>>>> and on how the proceeds of the tax are applied.
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>>>>>> The problem with your assumption is that the people running the
>>>>>> business cut their overhead(usually trim labor costs) to offset the
>>>>>> new taxes. That in turn hurts the workers and the consumers that may
>>>>>> see the new tax partly passed on in the higher price. Cut a little
>>>>>> raise the price a little, and the corporation stays competitive and
>>>>>> doesn’t take a hit.
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>>>>> You just repeat the same pig s&*$?%t over and over again. And the _FACT_
>>>>> is that if the company could get along with less labor expense and/or
>>>>> charging consumers more then that is what the profit maximizing
>>>>> corporation would have done _ALREADY_. The companies are not “waiting”
>>>>> for a tax increase to _allow_ profit maximization. That claim is
>>>>> ludicrous.
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>>>>>>> either case, the corporation eats the tax and the customers pay the
>>>>>>> same amount as before for the same product or service.
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>>>>>> You never ran a successful business!
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>>>>> I ran my own business for 30 years, liar.
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>>>>> –
>>>>> “Senate rules don’t trump the Constitution”
>>>>> –http://GreaterVoice.org/60
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>>>> despite what some think – taxes don’t go into a black hole and exit the
>>>> economy.
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>>>> Taxes pay people for work. It buys infrastructure and durable things
>>>> like vehicles and buildings… and humvees and body armor.
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>>>> ALL of these things put money back into the economy.
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>>>> The basic argument is – should we tax people to pay for body armor or
>>>> should we let people keep that money and spend it on a big screen TV?
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>>>> the narrative that taxes “destroy” the economy is more BS from those who
>>>> just don’t like the idea of taxes.
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>>> Yup.
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>> What product does a government employee produce?
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>> GDP refers to “Producing”
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>> The economy is measured by it being productive.
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> a govt employee can and is a part of the logistics chain that
> does…for instance.. procure body armor and make sure it get to the
> war fighter…

And so you say Government is a consumer?

Except that when I “steal” $10.00 from you and then come to your yard
sale the next morning and buy a CD for $10.00 then you say I have
stimulated your economic standing?

Could you explain how you are better off?