‘Red Scares’

On 7/25/2010 3:22 PM, Dave Head wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:44:27 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
> @&*$?%Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/25/2010 11:50 AM, Dave Head wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:28:10 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
>>> @&*$?%gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> “The SS needs to be phased out. Cutting it suddenly isn’t possible
>>>> without adversely affecting lots of people. ”
>>>>
>>>> Who is agreeing with you on this? Not the establishment Republicans.
>>>> Not the Tea Party – the last POLL of them say 2/3 of them do not want
>>>> to get rid of SS.
>>>
>>> I don’t really give a rip. We have to do it.
>>>
>>>> so WHO do you think will champion this?
>>>
>>> I’m not so concerned about that. It is just my opinion. What I’m
>>> concerned about is getting rid of the income tax. Without doing that,
>>> we will never see prosperity again.
>>>
>>>> Do you seriously think that the majority of people in this country are
>>>> going to elect to Congress and the Presidency someone who says they
>>>> will phase out SS?
>>>
>>> Dunno. Maybe if they are made to understand.
>>>
>>>> what is Your … REALISTIC solution here?
>>>
>>> The realistic solution is to cut the income taxes to zero, thus
>>> supercharging the economy, and therefore cutting the number of really
>>> poor people to very small numbers. When you get to the point where
>>> everyone has significant money, and starts looking at SS and Medicare
>>> as a drag on their pocketbook and not as a salvation in their old age
>>> which they can afford to take care of themselves anyway, then maybe SS
>>> and Medicare will be repealed. But the income tax has to die first.
>>>>
>>>> anyone can blather anti-govt rhetoric but where are the solutions?
>>
>> *HOW TO ALLOW AMERICA TO SURVIVE*
>> And give America back to Americans
>>
>> Reducing regulations is primary since regulation is what stifles
>> commerce, the more regulations, the more it costs our economy. Most
>> regulations are used by existing businesses to reduce competition, and
>> competition would help us get out of this depression.
>
> Yep. Yet we have to have safety regulations, or people will die, and
> oil wells will blow out and harm the economy, and some fish.
>
>> End the “war on drugs” make them legal(increase competition) and sold
>> at any drug store and push for prostitution to be legal too, that will
>> take the BIG money out of trafficking in drugs, and that will reduce the
>> gangs/dealers income and that should reduce the value of sex slaves and
>> hurt the human trafficking business income also. Why have illegal
>> prostitutes when there are so many legal tax paying prostitutes out there?
>
> Yes, the costs of having drugs illegal is far greater than if they
> were legal. Legalize them, every thing you can think of.
>
> I think they should NOT be sold in any drug store, tho. I think they
> should only be sold in stores outside of town, so’s most people have
> to get in a car and drive. Makes it hard on kids trying to buy ‘em,
> and they shouldn’t be selling to kids, anyway.
>
>> Create Bi-color money, Red money for inside the USA and Original Green
>> money outside the USA….. NOTHING BUT A COLOR/INK difference, and
>> suddenly sending red money home to Mexico would be useless as the RED
>> money would be useless in Mexico since the Banks and etc wouldn’t accept
>> it abroad.
>
> Not bad, but not sure how well it would work.
>
>> The Drug dealers would have Red money that they need to exchange for
>> green money, makes it hard to do in large amounts and hard to spend and
>> more expensive to deal with….. that *makes Drugs less profitable* as
>> would dropping the income tax and installing a NATIONAL “NEW ITEM” SALES
>> TAX. *NOT* IMPLEMENTING A VAT TAX WHICH WILL HELP THE DRUG DEALERS and
>> illegals by making their tax free money leaving the country even more
>> valuable. If they had to buy/exchange the RED money for GREEN money then
>> you would charge the sales tax at that point.
>
> Aw, just legalize the drugs, and there will be no reason to import
> ‘em. Just grow / manufacture everything here.

There are cars imported…. I thing you not only need to level the
playing field rather than give them tax breaks, but go the extra mile to
make importing drugs less lucrative.

I agree that they would make/grow them here…. that’s a good thing.
The money and people are here, and they are taxed to care for the arrest
of illegal importers.

>> Have the States Ratify an amendment withdrawing the 16th amendment…
>> Maybe enact something similar to the http://fairtax.org (Federal sales
>> tax) *BUT NOT A VAT or VALUE ADDED TAX* with the same amendment that
>> removes income tax and the IRS, preferably a Federal *NEW ITEM* sales tax.
>
> Yes, if we don’t nuke the income tax, we are toast. We will never see
> prosperity again.

You got that right. It’s main purpose is to keep the rich rich and the
poor poor.

Progressive income tax is to us today, what feudalism was to people
centuries ago. It keeps us in our place.

>>
>>
>> This will reduce the number of tax crimes that people are in jails for
>> and it will give the people back their privacy.
>
> Yes, both good goals.
>
>> It will also promote
>> *GREEN* living where people will save more and waste less and buy second
>> hand and wear things out rather than discard and buy new.
>
> Not sure if I can see that, but its not that big a deal.

Got to have something in the language of the Socialist Enviro-nuts, you
can’t sell a vacuum cleaner at someones door if you don’t speak their
language.

The way to sell an idea is to make it appeal to your customers and
Socialists Green-weenies seem to be 50% of the people on this ship of fools.

“Look it not only kills your dogs fleas, but you can drink it after you
filter it through your reusable socks”

That is how they get eco-freaks to buy POISON and drink it, they call it
VODKA….

I’m shameful I know, but the truth never works on Leftists so you are
forced to speak in terms that they can relate to.

>> Then add the
>> amendment to it that if congress raises tax by 1% they are forced to cut
>> every single expenditure of the government by 3%.
>
> Naw, I don’t think I like that one. Just make a balanced budget
> amendment. That’s what we really need.

I really liked this one, besides being original and mine…. it
punishes the politicians for raising taxes. Their pay is a government
expense in ” 3% across the board cuts ”

>> Begin to draw down troops as needed from around the world. Put half
>> of our military bases along the southern Border to minimize the amount
>> of border that the Border patrol needs to watch, the military and
>> Federal trespassing laws will push the illegals to spaces between the
>> military bases.
>
> Hey, not bad. Good idea. Just station the troops on the border
> permanently.
>

Inside their Federal base…. Dual purpose and saves us money and manpower.

> We do need to not be in so many places around the world, but we have
> to make up our minds whether we’re OK with Red China absorbing Tiawan
> against their will, N. Korea conquering S. Korea, the Taliban taking
> over Afganistan, etc. Can we apply the nuclear shield to everything -
> you harbor terrorists and attack us, we’re going to respond by
> reducing your sad little country to a border to border, glass paved,
> self-lighting parking lot.

We have a satellite military umbrella….. they can all expect America
use it if we need or want to.

>
>> This tax/border policy will financially assault the drug dealers and
>> hookers and other underground economy’s by forcing them to have to pay
>> tax when they *spend their money* , which will further reduce the
>> benefit of dealing in other illegal stuff. There needs to be one type
>> of dollar for use inside America and one type(color) of dollars for use
>> outside the USA. That will make it harder for smugglers to get money out
>> of the country and if they do spend it here then they will pay the sales
>> tax and that money is used to enforce the laws to catch smugglers. We
>> are “right now” taking money from peoples pay checks before they get
>> them and at the same time we don’t tax drug dealers or hookers and
>> illegals or others at all, we are penalizing the working Americans and
>> giving a bonus to illegal activity. Sales tax will also encourage saving
>> money rather than encouraging the leveraging of every dime you can
>> borrow like income tax does.
>>
>> This will drive people in the underground economy to become part of the
>> real economy. It will stop most of the turf killings and end our
>> immigration problems with illegals stealing identities since they will
>> be paying tax(as sales tax). Offer illegals less welfare and charge them
>> tax and they won’t be so eager to come here and we won’t need to chase
>> them……
>>
>> End Social Security/Medicare, grandfather it out of existence.
>
> Yes, need a plan to do this without killing people. I think it’d
> take a long time.
>

100 years to grandfather it out of existence.

>> Pass an amendment to the constitution that makes all
>> *laws_and_treaties* have a seven year sunset clause, and it requires
>> that each law/treaty be voted by a separate roll call vote every seven
>> years to continue to be maintained in our laws.
>
> That would probably cause too much instability in our foreign
> relations. Other peoples couldn’t really trust us to do what we sign
> up to do.
>

They already don’t.

>> There should also be some constitutional amendments to stifle congress’
>> borrowing and spending making it more difficult for that process.
>
> Just one – the balanced budget amendment.
>

I see “the balanced budget amendment” as giving them to many loopholes
for off budget programs and other abuse.

>> Pass another amendment creating term limits on congress so the House
>> has 6 terms and the Senate has 2 terms, for a total of 12 years in
>> either side of congress. WE NEED TO STOP CONGRESS FROM PASSING FRIVOLOUS
>> LAWS TAXES AND BORROWING AND ENDLESSLY PRINTING MONEY.
>
> We just need to repeal the 16th amendment, I think, and that’ll get a
> lot of the corruption out of the tax law, esp. if we substitute the 63
> pages long Fair Tax.
>
>> To quit filling the jails with people over *social taboos* , we
>> need to take away congress’ ability to “social engineer” businesses or
>> private people by removing the governments tax code.
>
> Yep. Pass the Fair Tax.
>
>> Government needs to spend 10% less every year until they meet the
>> income of the government. The best way, is to
>> *use_both_cutting_and_taxing* , the Congress should implement a rule to
>> force an across the board spending freeze and then across the board cuts
>> on the government spending, to do that we have to include a law in our
>> TAX amendment to the constitution that can’t be easily circumvented, to
>> force them to cut spending 3% for every 1% Congress raise taxes. So any
>> tax would result in automatic spending cuts using a baseline of 10% taxes.
>
> I don’t think so. We’re going to have to spend more to administer a
> country with a booming economy which will be the result of getting rid
> of the the income tax and substituting the Fair Tax. We have to be
> careful not to hose ourselves by passing amendments that are not well
> thought out. The 16th was one of those, I think. Maybe the 16th
> amendment, too – we probably shouldn’t be directly electing senators,
> because it makes the campaign too big of a deal, and too expensive.
>

And we lose States rights. Washington has no one representing them in
the Federal Government.

>> And we need to give up our roll as the police man of the world, let
>> them fight their own fights. We need fewer crimes for people to be
>> committing, we need fewer police and prisons….the above drug and tax
>> plan…. will reduce police and prison needs by at least that 10% that
>> this plan suggested cutting each year.
>
> We just have to be OK with:
>
> 1) 1 Korea, all communist
> 2) 1 China, all communist
> 3) 0 Isreal, a post-nuclear wasteland most likely.
> 4) Greatly diminished influence around the world.
>

Like it doesn’t look like this is coming anyways?

>> NO welfare to corporations, and cut welfare to private people by 10%
>> each year until it is 10% of today’s cost. Any way you look at it, we’re
>> in DEEP for a long time.
>
> What welfare to corporations? No, wait, we should help AMERICAN
> corporations all we can, if they’re employing Americans. The best
> help we can give them would be to pass the Fair Tax.

Yes… give them no money and get regulations off their back and they
will do just fine hiring Americans. I have started and manged many
businesses for myself and others… When Obama got elected I quit trying
to make money, I will start no business and I will NOT manage any
business until the Socialists are run out.