‘Red Scares’

On 7/25/2010 2:02 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:44:27 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
> @&*$?%Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in
> misc.transport.road:
>
>> On 7/25/2010 11:50 AM, Dave Head wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:28:10 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
>>> @&*$?%gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> “The SS needs to be phased out. Cutting it suddenly isn’t possible
>>>> without adversely affecting lots of people. ”
>>>>
>>>> Who is agreeing with you on this? Not the establishment Republicans.
>>>> Not the Tea Party – the last POLL of them say 2/3 of them do not want
>>>> to get rid of SS.
>>>
>>> I don’t really give a rip. We have to do it.
>>>
>>>> so WHO do you think will champion this?
>>>
>>> I’m not so concerned about that. It is just my opinion. What I’m
>>> concerned about is getting rid of the income tax. Without doing that,
>>> we will never see prosperity again.
>>>
>>>> Do you seriously think that the majority of people in this country are
>>>> going to elect to Congress and the Presidency someone who says they
>>>> will phase out SS?
>>>
>>> Dunno. Maybe if they are made to understand.
>>>
>>>> what is Your … REALISTIC solution here?
>>>
>>> The realistic solution is to cut the income taxes to zero, thus
>>> supercharging the economy, and therefore cutting the number of really
>>> poor people to very small numbers. When you get to the point where
>>> everyone has significant money, and starts looking at SS and Medicare
>>> as a drag on their pocketbook and not as a salvation in their old age
>>> which they can afford to take care of themselves anyway, then maybe SS
>>> and Medicare will be repealed. But the income tax has to die first.
>>>>
>>>> anyone can blather anti-govt rhetoric but where are the solutions?
>>
>> *HOW TO ALLOW AMERICA TO SURVIVE*
>> And give America back to Americans
>>
>> Reducing regulations is primary since regulation is what stifles
>> commerce, the more regulations, the more it costs our economy. Most
>> regulations are used by existing businesses to reduce competition, and
>> competition would help us get out of this depression.
>
> Lack of regulation allows Massey Energy to kill its own employees
> without punishment. It allows banks to steal from its customers. It
> allows Chinese manufacturers to poison our products.
>

So you agree that the NEWS MEDIA is NOT FREE, otherwise they would print
the truth and Massey energy would be bankrupted by the people.

>> End the “war on drugs” make them legal(increase competition) and sold
>> at any drug store and push for prostitution to be legal too, that will
>> take the BIG money out of trafficking in drugs, and that will reduce the
>> gangs/dealers income and that should reduce the value of sex slaves and
>> hurt the human trafficking business income also. Why have illegal
>> prostitutes when there are so many legal tax paying prostitutes out there?
>
> Most recreational drugs need to be legalized and regulated for safety
> and revenue reasons. The war on drugs is a huge failure. Prostitution
> should also be legalized and regulated for the safety of the prostitutes
> and their customers.
>
>> Create Bi-color money, Red money for inside the USA and Original Green
>> money outside the USA….. NOTHING BUT A COLOR/INK difference, and
>> suddenly sending red money home to Mexico would be useless as the RED
>> money would be useless in Mexico since the Banks and etc wouldn’t accept
>> it abroad.
>
> Money is sent electronically most of the time.

And can be taxes as it crosses the border. This would keep the status
quo and not allow the Drug dealers and Illegals to simply change to
envelopes and cash to avoid sales tax.

>> The Drug dealers would have Red money that they need to exchange for
>> green money, makes it hard to do in large amounts and hard to spend and
>> more expensive to deal with….. that *makes Drugs less profitable* as
>> would dropping the income tax and installing a NATIONAL “NEW ITEM” SALES
>> TAX. *NOT* IMPLEMENTING A VAT TAX WHICH WILL HELP THE DRUG DEALERS and
>> illegals by making their tax free money leaving the country even more
>> valuable. If they had to buy/exchange the RED money for GREEN money then
>> you would charge the sales tax at that point.
>>
> Most cash is laundered within the US.

And that will create more steps and a tax to get it out of the country.

>> Have the States Ratify an amendment withdrawing the 16th amendment…
>> Maybe enact something similar to the http://fairtax.org (Federal sales
>> tax) *BUT NOT A VAT or VALUE ADDED TAX* with the same amendment that
>> removes income tax and the IRS, preferably a Federal *NEW ITEM* sales tax.
>>
>>
>
> The income tax used to be simple, too, but lobbyists were paid big bucks
> to make it more complex. A simple income tax and a simple VAT would work
> well and could replace the payroll tax.
>

NO…. VAT, all a VAT will do is make illegal activity more appealing.

>> This will reduce the number of tax crimes that people are in jails for
>
> People who are in jail for tax crimes didn’t accidentally break the law.
> They will break the law for whatever tax they are expected to pay.

Many people are in Jail for Federal income tax laws, how many are in
prison for State Sales tax violations…. Does the government come to
my house and take it for a sales tax crime? I pay SALES tax at the cash
register and I’m done with it for ever. With income tax it is a paper
and legal nightmare that is over my head for years, there are questions
of deductions and complicated regulations.

>> and it will give the people back their privacy. It will also promote
>> *GREEN* living where people will save more and waste less and buy second
>> hand and wear things out rather than discard and buy new. Then add the
>> amendment to it that if congress raises tax by 1% they are forced to cut
>> every single expenditure of the government by 3%.
>>
>> Begin to draw down troops as needed from around the world. Put half
>> of our military bases along the southern Border to minimize the amount
>> of border that the Border patrol needs to watch, the military and
>> Federal trespassing laws will push the illegals to spaces between the
>> military bases.
>
> I would love to see the Pentagon have a budget no larger than $200
> billion. As long as we try to run our empire, we won’t have that happen.
>

True

>> This tax/border policy will financially assault the drug dealers and
>> hookers and other underground economy’s by forcing them to have to pay
>> tax when they *spend their money* , which will further reduce the
>> benefit of dealing in other illegal stuff. There needs to be one type
>> of dollar for use inside America and one type(color) of dollars for use
>> outside the USA. That will make it harder for smugglers to get money out
>> of the country and if they do spend it here then they will pay the sales
>> tax and that money is used to enforce the laws to catch smugglers. We
>> are “right now” taking money from peoples pay checks before they get
>> them and at the same time we don’t tax drug dealers or hookers and
>> illegals or others at all, we are penalizing the working Americans and
>> giving a bonus to illegal activity. Sales tax will also encourage saving
>> money rather than encouraging the leveraging of every dime you can
>> borrow like income tax does.
>>
>> This will drive people in the underground economy to become part of the
>> real economy. It will stop most of the turf killings and end our
>> immigration problems with illegals stealing identities since they will
>> be paying tax(as sales tax). Offer illegals less welfare and charge them
>> tax and they won’t be so eager to come here and we won’t need to chase
>> them……
>>
>> End Social Security/Medicare, grandfather it out of existence.
>
> And replace it with what? 80-year-old beggars?

Were old people dieing in the streets in 1925? I’ve seen pictures of
that time period and have yet to see people stepping over the dieing
elderly littering the streets.

>> Pass an amendment to the constitution that makes all
>> *laws_and_treaties* have a seven year sunset clause, and it requires
>> that each law/treaty be voted by a separate roll call vote every seven
>> years to continue to be maintained in our laws.
>
> The senate is far too disfunctional to do that.
>

State Ratification. If congress sees it will happen they will pre-empt
it with their own Legal gibberish to try to peal off some of their
detractors.

>> There should also be some constitutional amendments to stifle congress’
>> borrowing and spending making it more difficult for that process.
>
> As long as Republicans think that their 30-year-old voodoo economics
> will work to get elected, they will continue to support
> borrow-and-spend.

That never worked, save and pay you debts always has.

>
>> Pass another amendment creating term limits on congress so the House
>> has 6 terms and the Senate has 2 terms, for a total of 12 years in
>> either side of congress. WE NEED TO STOP CONGRESS FROM PASSING FRIVOLOUS
>> LAWS TAXES AND BORROWING AND ENDLESSLY PRINTING MONEY.
>
> That idea seems to have been abandoned.
>
>> To quit filling the jails with people over *social taboos* , we
>> need to take away congress’ ability to “social engineer” businesses or
>> private people by removing the governments tax code.
>
> Aside from drugs which are both state and federal over-reaction, most of
> the other unnecessary jailings are state. The Economist has a good
> article on this problem this week.
> http://www.economist.com/node/16640389
>
>> Government needs to spend 10% less every year until they meet the
>> income of the government. The best way, is to
>> *use_both_cutting_and_taxing* , the Congress should implement a rule to
>> force an across the board spending freeze and then across the board cuts
>> on the government spending, to do that we have to include a law in our
>> TAX amendment to the constitution that can’t be easily circumvented, to
>> force them to cut spending 3% for every 1% Congress raise taxes. So any
>> tax would result in automatic spending cuts using a baseline of 10% taxes.
>
> There are many times that it makes much more sense for the government to
> do something than have private business do it. Knee-jerk opposition to
> taxes is foolish.
>

Opposition to taxes is NEVER foolish.

>> And we need to give up our roll as the police man of the world, let
>> them fight their own fights. We need fewer crimes for people to be
>> committing, we need fewer police and prisons….the above drug and tax
>> plan…. will reduce police and prison needs by at least that 10% that
>> this plan suggested cutting each year.
>>
>> NO welfare to corporations, and cut welfare to private people by 10%
>> each year until it is 10% of today’s cost. Any way you look at it, we’re
>> in DEEP for a long time.
>
> Our welfare programs are quite small.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/obama_budget_11.html

When you total the SS, Medicare, welfare, medicade, they make up the
Majority of the budget and then you have the “off the books” backdoor
type of welfare like the subprime welfare loan program that went
bankrupt and bankrupted Fannie/Freddie.

That was an expensive welfare program 3 or 4 hundred BILLION dollars in
Fannie and Freddie alone so far. Add in the private non Government
entities that were dragged down by the government entities of Fannie and
Freddie.