Re: Socialism is an economic system

On 6/13/2010 3:17 PM, Rightardia wrote:
> On 06/12/2010 04:05 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
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>> I’ve been told over and over that Socialism is an economic system and
>> NOT a government system…. yet the same people tell me that
>> Socialists can’t be Fascists.
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>> I hear over and over that Hitler was NOT a Socialist, yet Fascist and
>> Socialists want government “control” of the National economy.
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>> The Fascists and Socialists are *not* Oil and water. Libertarians and
>> those two “Fascists and Socialists” are absolutely oil and water.
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> Socialism is a left wing economic system and capitalism is the right
> wing alternative. The political systems are fascism on the right and
> communism on the left. You are mixing up political and economic systems.

You can’t separate economic and political, when Socialism for example
requires that you invade and eliminate my political choices. Socialism
requires certain Political realities. In order to implement your
Socialist Health care you have to violate my rights under this
Constitutional Republican government. So without changing my present
political standing you can’t create the Socialism that you want.

Whether you steal all my rights at once in a revolution or one at the
time over 100 years, it’s all the same Socialism.

First you have to steal my individual rights to force me into your
Socialism…. That says political manipulation and change. Proof that
Socialism is NOT only economics.

Next you have to believe in “Social Justice” which is also incompatible
with our Constitutional Republic and “Equal Justice” and Social Justice
can’t coexist with equal justice, Social Justice is the absolute
opposite of equal justice. Social Justice means manipulating the laws
to get the results you want, equal justice means that regardless of who
is involved the result would be have been the same. Socialism and it’s
tenet of Social Justice is an affront to our Constitution and its system
of justice.

> Hitler got his start with the SA which was a socialist moment. The SA
> were eliminated during the Night of the Long Knives by Hitler and
> replaced with the brutal SS.

Socialists always kill someone, someone that’s standing between them and
their UTOPIA, it’s what Socialists do. Today they kill babies in the
womb, under Stalin it was traitors, under Hitler it was the other
Socialist/communist movements and the Jews….. There is always
someone between them and Utopia, it’s never that “they’re screwed up” in
the head, it’s always someone else’s fault that they can’t quite get
over that hump to the promised land and a Socialist utopia.

> “Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism
> because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”

Like Obama and GM….

> ~ Benito Mussolini, the archetypal corporate fascist.

Yes…. Italy, that bastion of far right wing. Is now… and always was?

> Both fascism and collectivism are collectivist philosophies, but the
> fascists didn’t want to destroy the class structure or large
> corporations. Hitler expanded company towns, banned trade unions and
> lowered wages for German workers.

Government in control or government ownership is just semantics.
Socialism and fascism are closer to each other than either one is to
Libertarianism.

> As FDR stated:
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> That, in its essence, is fascism – ownership of government by an
> individual, by a group.”

Socialism = Government control of the individual through the economy, by
the government or by group.

You are splitting hairs.

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