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On 3/3/2010 11:25 AM, Joe Steel wrote:
> Beam Me Up Scotty wrote in
> news:4b8d8e8f$0$11422$ec3e2dad @&*$?%unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
>
>> On 3/2/2010 3:47 PM, Joe Steel wrote:
>
>>>
>>> The People are sovereign. Being sovereign means you never have to
>>> say “May I.” The People may do what they wish.
>>>
>> I didn’t get that part in my copy of the constitution, send me a copy
>> of yours…. I don’t think you are so stupid as to tell me something
>> you have no written copy of.
>>
>
> When James Madison knew he would be involved in writing the Constitution,
> he asked his friend Thomas Jefferson, US ambassador to France, to send
> him the latest European works on government. Among the work he received
> almost certainly was “The Social Contract” by Jean Jacques Rousseau. It
> includes this:
>
> “At once, in place of the individual personality of each contracting
> party, this act of association creates a moral and collective body,
> composed of as many members as the assembly contains votes, and receiving
> from this act its unity, its common identity, its life and its will. This
> public person, so formed by the union of all other persons formerly took
> the name of city, and now takes that of Republic or body politic; it
> is called by its members State when passive. Sovereign when active, and
> Power when compared with others like itself. Those who are associated in
> it take collectively the name of people, and severally are called
> citizens, as sharing in the sovereign power, and subjects, as being under
> the laws of the State. But these terms are often confused and taken one
> for another: it is enough to know how to distinguish them when they are
> being used with precision.

” *Those* who are associated in it take collectively the name of people,”

So when you say *the people* it means *those* within the group called
the people.

I would say they are individuals. But when described as *the people*
are not just “one” as the “States” are not just one, but each has the
same individual rights and are collectively no different. Two States
have no more power than one, two people have no more power than one, we
are equal, “the people” are equal to any one member, no more or less.

I can *NOT* do as I wish…. and as *the people* I have a constitution
that must be considered as to whether it is a power given in it to the
Federal government the States or the people. If it is a right for the
people, then each and every individual has that right it’s not a
collective right only usable when all come together as the people. To
start with, we never really come together to agree on anything as the
people, that is why we elect government representatives. We can’t be
sovereign as the people because we are never acting as one, but as
government we are sovereign because we can act as one.

James Madison called people Sovereign when active or *voting*

“composed of as many members as the assembly contains votes”

When you vote you exercise a power just as the States have elected
people that act having supreme, independent authority over a territory
as does the Federal Government.

We are suppose to be *part* of the sovereign power but…
*NOT THE sovereign power* . We each vote and collectively(the people)
our votes are sovereign having supreme, independent authority over a
territory.

But that’s just How I read that. That was good stuff thanks and maybe
we read it a little different but I always see the constitution as
separating power, power is never centralized in the constitution from
all I have read.