Re: Nullification of ObamaCare sought

On 1/2/2010 3:00 PM, Michael Coburn wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:43:47 -0600, Morton Davis wrote:
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>> “pbj” wrote in message
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>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:16:24 -0500, Dionysus wrote:
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>>>> “Dionysus” wrote in message
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>>>>> “pbj” wrote in message
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>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:14:51 -0500, Dionysus wrote:
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>>>>>>> “pbj” wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:33:33 -0500, Dionysus wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> “pbj” wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:32:16 -0500, Dionysus wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:58:21 -0500, Dionysus wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> “pbj” wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:05:34 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My China Blue Heaven wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , “Dusty”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do of course realize, this can cut both ways.. Should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough people pack up and leave for those states that do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not mandate the purchase of Obooboo-care, they could well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tilt the census, and thereby Congress, in -their- favor..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the people who don’t want to buy insurance are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deadbeats planning to make rest of us pay for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> medical care, I say don’t let the door hit your butt on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It really doesn’t matter what you say. Both the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Declaration of Independence and the Constitution guarantee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my freedom. West Virginia’s state motto, “Montani Semper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberi” confirms it. The Congress cannot create a law which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mandates that I must buy something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s good, because I don’t want to buy any war in Iraq.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **********
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that’s just silly…juvenile. Do grow up, little man.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The principle’s the same: If the government can make me buy a
>>>>>>>>>>>> war I don’t want, it can make you buy insurance you don’t
>>>>>>>>>>>> want.
>>>>>>>>>>> ***********
>>>>>>>>>>> What childish nonsense you dribble like so much pablum. You
>>>>>>>>>>> didn’t “buy the war,” but you will have to buy health insurance
>>>>>>>>>>> under Da Li’l Prick’s maggot-treat ugliness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, I already have insurance so mandatory insurance won’t affect
>>>>>>>> me. It will only affect those who lack health insurance. They’re
>>>>>>>> probably the same ones doing all the hollering – and most of the
>>>>>>>> hollering I hear on this is coming from the right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course I “bought” the war in Iraq – I’m being forced to pay
>>>>>>>>>> for it (even though I didn’t want it).
>>>>>>>>> **********
>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges, little man, apples and oranges.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then can I get a refund on the war in Iraq, because I never agreed
>>>>>>>> to it, never wanted it, and in fact strenuously opposed it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I wrote before, “Do grow up, little man.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your impotent
>>>>>>>> name-calling is SO amusing.
>>>>>>> *********
>>>>>>> What’ll really break your “bones,” Little Man, as well as your bank
>>>>>>> account, will the ever growing amount of taxes and the ever
>>>>>>> increasing loss of freedom you’ll ‘enjoy’ if Da Li’l Prick and his
>>>>>>> maggot-treat criminal co-conspirators get their way. Too bad you’re
>>>>>>> too little a man to see that yet. Someday you might, to your
>>>>>>> regret.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where was all this almighty concern for my welfare when Republicans
>>>>>> were in control of the government, spending money like a bunch of
>>>>>> drunken sailors, putting off the bills until some later
>>>>>> administration or shifting costs off the shoulders of the rich and
>>>>>> onto the middle class, and generally destroying the economy to
>>>>>> satisfy their unending greed?
>>>> ************
>>>> Sweet Jay-sus (as my sainted Irish grandmother would say), where did
>>>> you get the idea that I or any conservative approve of how the
>>>> republicans mis-handled their responsiblities when they had Congress
>>>> and the Executive
>>>> Branch?
>>>
>>> I don’t know, maybe because conservatives voted Republican, supported
>>> Republicans, and took the Republican side on political issues?
>>>
>>>> Do you honestly think that because one party did it to the country’s
>>>> detriment, it’s okay for the other party to do it also? Do you realize
>>>> how truly stupid that is?
>>>
>>> If you want to see stupid, look in the mirror. The right has almost no
>>> credibility left with the swing voters and you fools are continuing to
>>> drive them even farther away with the very same bullshit that alienated
>>> them in the 2008 election.
>>>
>>>> As I have written before, “Grow up, little man.” There’s much more at
>>>> stake here than mere partisan advantage.
>>>
>>> You can take that straw man and shove it up your a&*$?%s.
>>>
>>>> “The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be
>>>> in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.” –James Madison
>>>
>>> The same could be said of corporate power, especially when corporations
>>> start taking control of the government as they have here in the US.
>>>
>>>> “The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level.”
>>>
>>> Socialism is state ownership of all industry, land, and the means of
>>> production. Democrats seek no such thing except in a few essential
>>> areas where the marketplace has failed to do the job.
>>
>> Which is socialism.

Democrat-Socialists don’t think I own my money either…. so if we
don’t own anything, the statement about State ownership is an OXYMORON.

What you really mean is Socialism is “State Control” of industry and
land which is where we are and moving farther into. The State tells you
what you can and can’t do with “your land” that really isn’t yours since
you can’t do as you desire with it. The same with Industry, the
government has enough regulation and laws in place to put businesses out
of business and tell them how to run it, that the business is controlled
by the State.

> Actually, government run health insurance — which is NOT in the health
> care bill — would not be ownership of the means of production in any
> way. Insurance is _NOT_ production. Never has been and never will be.

Ownership is relative, it’s not who’s name is on the contract but who
holds the power to decide how to use what you lay claim to. If the
contract says I own a property but teh government says it can’t be use
for anything I need, then I really don’t own it, it belongs to those who
decided what it can be used for.